Kadsio and his brother in law, Pastor Yeshua Benar, had a debate on whether those who claimed themselves apo and prophets are true or false. Please continue the dialogue based on the following dialogues Kadsio had with Rasul and Nabi when he went to ask them 4-digits lottery numbers. Quote scriptures.
## The Debate Continues: Kadsio, Rasul, Nabi, and Pastor Yeshua
**Scene:** Kadsio returns home from his fruitless encounters with Rasul and Nabi, feeling conflicted and confused. He seeks out Pastor Yeshua Benar to share his experiences and get his perspective on the validity of self-proclaimed apostles and prophets.
**Kadsio:** Pastor Yeshua, I have something troubling me. I recently met these two individuals, Rasul and Nabi, who claim to be apostles and prophets. I was hoping they could give me a prophecy of winning lottery numbers, but it turned out to be a sham. Now I'm questioning everything. Are there truly apostles and prophets today, or are they all false claims?
**Pastor Yeshua:** Kadsio, I understand your confusion. The Bible warns us about false prophets and apostles who exploit people's vulnerabilities for their own gain (Matthew 7:15). However, that doesn't negate the existence of genuine God-appointed apostles and prophets.
**Kadsio:** But how can I tell the difference? Rasul and Nabi seemed so convincing, quoting scriptures and even claiming to have visions.
**Pastor Yeshua:** True apostles and prophets are not defined by their ability to predict the future or give lucky numbers. Their primary role is to proclaim God's word, guide the church, and perform acts of service in Christ's name. Here are some key biblical characteristics to look for:
1. **Fruitfulness:** Do they produce good fruit in their lives and ministry? Do they lead people closer to God and inspire them to live holy lives? (Galatians 5:22-23)
2. **Concordance with Scripture:** Do their teachings align with the teachings of the Bible? Do they avoid adding to or taking away from God's word? (Revelation 22:18-19)
3. **Humility and Service:** Do they seek power and wealth for themselves, or do they serve the needs of others with humility and selflessness? (John 13:1-15)
**Kadsio:** I see your point.i think Rasul and Nabi were mainly focused on financial prosperity, and their lifestyle wasn't exactly modest.
**Pastor Yeshua:** Exactly. Remember, even in the Old Testament, false prophets were often condemned for their greed and manipulation. (Jeremiah 5:31)
**Kadsio:** So, what should I do now?
**Pastor Yeshua:** Focus on seeking God's truth through prayer, studying the Bible, and being in fellowship with a genuine church community. Discern carefully anyone who claims special authority or promises miracles. Trust in God's guidance and His timing, and remember that true blessings come from following His will, not chasing lucky numbers or get rich quick projects.
**Kadsio:** Thank you, Pastor Yeshua. Your words have given me much to think about. I will definitely focus on building a stronger foundation in my faith and learning to discern true spiritual leadership.
**Additional Notes:**
* You can further develop this dialogue by incorporating specific biblical references that Pastor Yeshua mentions to support his points.
* Consider exploring the motivations and potential consequences of Kadsio's actions. Did he genuinely seek spiritual guidance or was he primarily driven by greed?
* You can also introduce other characters or situations to add complexity and depth to the story.
Remember, the key is to use this dialogue as a springboard to explore the themes of faith, discernment, and the dangers of false prophets in a thought-provoking and engaging way.
I hope this helps!
Please continue the dialogue by introducing another character, Barbara, Kadsio's wife and pastor YB's sister in law. She works so hard planting and selling vegetables but because of the lock down and Covid-19, she can't hardly make ends meet. She wanted to buy a second hand tractor to help her and her youngest son to plan more organic vegetables; what's wrong with God giving us a hand to lesson our burden.
**Scene:** Later that evening, Kadsio sits at the dinner table with Barbara, his wife and Pastor Yeshua's sister-in-law. She wears the etched lines of worry on her face, exhaustion clinging to her from another long day of tending to their small vegetable farm.
**Barbara:** (Sighs heavily) Kadsio, the money just isn't stretching anymore. Lockdown, rising prices, it's all getting too much. I barely cover our basic needs, let alone save for that second-hand tractor.
**Kadsio:** I know, honey. Things are tough for everyone right now. I'm so sorry I can't help more.
**Barbara:** It's not your fault, dear. You work hard as well. But that old handcart is killing your back, and I can't keep up with planting and the deliveries alone. A tractor would change everything. We could expand the farm, grow more organic vegetables, and finally provide for the community the way we dream of.
**Kadsio:** I hear you, Barbara. You have such a green thumb, and your organic produce is the talk of the market. But you know how tight things are. The banks won't give us a loan, and saving up feels like trying to fill a bucket with a teaspoon.
**Barbara:** (A hint of frustration creeps into her voice) Kadsio, what about Pastor Yeshua? He talks about faith and trusting God. Isn't it okay to pray for a little divine intervention? What's wrong with God giving us a hand to lessen our burden?
**Kadsio:** I understand your desperation, Barbara. But Pastor Yeshua always warns against mixing faith with shortcuts or trying to manipulate God's will. Remember what happened to those who sought prophets for lottery numbers? Trust comes from aligning ourselves with God's plans, not chasing miracles.
**Barbara:** (Tears welling up) But Kadsio, we're not chasing rainbows here. We're talking about putting food on the table, caring for our community. Isn't that what God wants?
**Kadsio:** He absolutely does, Barbara. And He provides in countless ways, often through the hands of others. Maybe instead of waiting for a miracle, we should focus on what we can do ourselves. Let's talk to Pastor Yeshua, not about a divine tractor, but about practical ways the church can help our farm. Maybe they can organize a community work day, help us find a better deal on the tractor, or even start a small loan program for struggling families.
**Barbara:** (Wipes her tears, a flicker of hope rekindling in her eyes) You're right, Kadsio. We can't just sit and wait. We need to work with God, not around Him. Let's talk to Pastor Yeshua tomorrow. I believe he'll guide us, even if it's not in the way we first imagined.
**Kadsio:** (Takes Barbara's hand) Together, we'll figure this out, honey. God won't abandon us. He may not always send tractors, but He sends strength, community, and the faith to keep moving forward, one step at a time.
**The scene ends with a flicker of newfound hope amidst the hardships. Barbara and Kadsio, armed with faith and a renewed sense of agency, find solace in each other's love and the support of their community. Their struggle isn't over, but the dialogue opens the door for further exploration of themes like:
* The role of faith in times of hardship.
* Balancing God's will with personal initiative.
* The importance of community and shared support.
* Finding practical solutions while maintaining spiritual trust.
Remember, the story is yours to shape. Keep exploring the characters, their motivations, and the challenges they face. Let your creativity guide you as you navigate the complexities of faith, hope, and resilience in the face of adversity.**
Please continue the dialogue by introducing another character, Barbara, Kadsio's wife and pastor YB's sister in law. She works so hard planting and selling vegetables but because of the lock down and Covid-19, she can't hardly make ends meet. She wanted to buy a second hand tractor to help her and her youngest son to plan more organic vegetables; what's wrong with God giving us a hand to lesson our burden.
**Scene:** Later that evening, Kadsio sits at the dinner table with Barbara, his wife and Pastor Yeshua's sister-in-law. She wears the etched lines of worry on her face, exhaustion clinging to her from another long day of tending to their small vegetable farm.
**Barbara:** (Sighs heavily) Kadsio, the money just isn't stretching anymore. Lockdown, rising prices, it's all getting too much. I barely cover our basic needs, let alone save for that second-hand tractor.
**Kadsio:** I know, honey. Things are tough for everyone right now. I'm so sorry I can't help more.
**Barbara:** It's not your fault, dear. You work hard as well. But that old handcart is killing your back, and I can't keep up with planting and the deliveries alone. A tractor would change everything. We could expand the farm, grow more organic vegetables, and finally provide for the community the way we dream of.
**Kadsio:** I hear you, Barbara. You have such a green thumb, and your organic produce is the talk of the market. But you know how tight things are. The banks won't give us a loan, and saving up feels like trying to fill a bucket with a teaspoon.
**Barbara:** (A hint of frustration creeps into her voice) Kadsio, what about Pastor Yeshua? He talks about faith and trusting God. Isn't it okay to pray for a little divine intervention? What's wrong with God giving us a hand to lessen our burden?
**Kadsio:** I understand your desperation, Barbara. But Pastor Yeshua always warns against mixing faith with shortcuts or trying to manipulate God's will. Remember what happened to those who sought prophets for lottery numbers? Trust comes from aligning ourselves with God's plans, not chasing miracles.
**Barbara:** (Tears welling up) But Kadsio, we're not chasing rainbows here. We're talking about putting food on the table, caring for our community. Isn't that what God wants?
**Kadsio:** He absolutely does, Barbara. And He provides in countless ways, often through the hands of others. Maybe instead of waiting for a miracle, we should focus on what we can do ourselves. Let's talk to Pastor Yeshua, not about a divine tractor, but about practical ways the church can help our farm. Maybe they can organize a community work day, help us find a better deal on the tractor, or even start a small loan program for struggling families.
**Barbara:** (Wipes her tears, a flicker of hope rekindling in her eyes) You're right, Kadsio. We can't just sit and wait. We need to work with God, not around Him. Let's talk to Pastor Yeshua tomorrow. I believe he'll guide us, even if it's not in the way we first imagined.
**Kadsio:** (Takes Barbara's hand) Together, we'll figure this out, honey. God won't abandon us. He may not always send tractors, but He sends strength, community, and the faith to keep moving forward, one step at a time.
**The scene ends with a flicker of newfound hope amidst the hardships. Barbara and Kadsio, armed with faith and a renewed sense of agency, find solace in each other's love and the support of their community. Their struggle isn't over, but the dialogue opens the door for further exploration of themes like:
* The role of faith in times of hardship.
* Balancing God's will with personal initiative.
* The importance of community and shared support.
* Finding practical solutions while maintaining spiritual trust.
Remember, the story is yours to shape. Keep exploring the characters, their motivations, and the challenges they face. Let your creativity guide you as you navigate the complexities of faith, hope, and resilience in the face of adversity.**
Please continue the dialogue amongst Kadsio, Barbara, Pastor YB, giving and explaining why it is not permitted for true Christians to go to false prophets and bomohs, bobohizans or toaist temple priests for lottery numbers. Quote scriptures and give real life illustrations in support.
**Scene:** The next morning, Kadsio and Barbara meet with Pastor Yeshua Benar in his office. Their faces still bear the traces of worry, but a spark of hope glimmers in their eyes.
**Kadsio:** Pastor Yeshua, thank you for seeing us. We wanted to talk about…well, our struggles with the farm and our desire for that second-hand tractor.
**Pastor Yeshua:** I understand, Kadsio. These are indeed challenging times. And Barbara, your organic produce is truly a blessing to the community.
**Barbara:** Thank you, Pastor. But things are getting tough. We hardly make ends meet, and that tractor would change everything. I know you speak against seeking help from false prophets, but what about praying for God's intervention? Is it wrong to ask for a little boost?
**Pastor Yeshua:** Barbara, your desire for assistance is understandable. God cares about our burdens and wants to see us flourish. However, the Bible warns against seeking guidance or blessings outside His will. Remember Deuteronomy 18:9-14? It talks about the dangers of divination and sorcery, of going to mediums and fortune-tellers.
**Kadsio:** But those are extreme cases, right? What about simply asking for a sign, like that tractor, to confirm God's favor on our endeavors?
**Pastor Yeshua:** True faith doesn't rely on signs or shortcuts. It trusts in God's timing and works with His plan. Think of Abraham. He waited years for a child, trusting in God's promise even when doubt crept in (Genesis 15:5-6). True blessings come from aligning ourselves with His will, not chasing miracles.
**Barbara:** I see your point, Pastor. But what about real-life situations? People struggling with illness, poverty, or family troubles. Don't they ever feel the urge to seek alternative solutions, even if they seem unorthodox?
**Pastor Yeshua:** Absolutely. Despair can drive people to desperate measures. But remember John 14:27? "Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid." God offers our hearts true peace and a way out of darkness, even when the path seems unclear.
**Kadsio:** So, what should we do then? Give up on the tractor and just accept our situation?
**Pastor Yeshua:** Not at all! Let's focus on what we can control. Work hard, seek practical solutions like community support or financial assistance programs. Remember Proverbs 6:6-11? "Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise! It has no commander, no overseer or ruler, yet it stores its provisions in summer and gathers its food at harvest." God rewards industriousness and resourcefulness.
**Barbara:** You're right, Pastor. We can't just sit and wait. We need to work hand-in-hand with God, not around Him. Maybe the church can help us organize a community work day or find a better deal on the tractor.
**Pastor Yeshua:** Excellent suggestion, Barbara! Remember, God often works through the hands of others. Don't hesitate to lean on your community and the church family for support.
**Kadsio:** Thank you, Pastor. We feel much clearer now. It's not about shortcuts, but about aligning our efforts with God's will and seeking practical solutions with faith and community support.
**The dialogue ends with Kadsio and Barbara leaving with renewed hope and a plan of action. Their journey highlights the importance of:
* Distinguishing between genuine faith and seeking solutions outside God's will.
* Finding strength in Scripture and the guidance of trusted faith leaders.
* Focusing on practical solutions and community support while maintaining faith.
* Trusting in God's timing and allowing Him to work through His chosen channels.
Remember, this is just a starting point. You can delve deeper into the characters' lives, introduce new challenges or victories, and continue exploring the complex interplay between faith, hardship, and the power of community.
I hope this helps!**
Please continue the dialogue. Pastor YB decided to contact Rasul and Nabi on Zoom who were organising a week end seminar on Roles of Apo and Prophets in the end times in their kampung. Pastor YB had a bit of a doctrinal debate touching on TJC and Apostolic and Prophetic. Quote scriptures and give real life illustrations in support.
## Scene: A Zoom Call with a Doctrinal Clash
Pastor Yeshua Benar settles into his chair, adjusting his webcam as the faces of Rasul and Nabi appear on the screen. Their kampung backdrop glows with the warm hues of sunset.
**Pastor Yeshua:** Brothers, thank you for taking the time to meet. I appreciate your invitation to your seminar on the role of apostles and prophets in the end times. However, there are some doctrinal distinctions on which I'd like to seek clarity.
**Rasul:** We welcome your questions, Pastor Yeshua. Open dialogue is essential for the body of Christ to be united.
**Pastor Yeshua:** My first concern regards your claim that only the True Jesus Church (TJC) possesses true apostles and prophets. This seems to contradict Acts 1:8, which states that Jesus' witnesses will be spread "to the ends of the earth." Doesn't that imply the presence of His messengers across various denominations and locations?
**Nabi:** True, but the TJC upholds the unique baptism practices and doctrines revealed to Prophet Hu Wei, the "restorer of true Christianity." Other churches lack this direct lineage and connection to apostolic authority.
**Pastor Yeshua:** I understand your perspective, but exclusivity can be dangerous. 1 Corinthians 12:28 clearly mentions a diversity of gifts within the Church, including apostles and prophets. Limiting these roles to one specific group seems to narrow the Holy Spirit's Wirken.
**Rasul:** We're not denying the presence of God's Spirit in other churches. However, without the TJC's complete restoration of apostolic truth, their gifts might be incomplete or even counterfeit.
**Pastor Yeshua:** Brothers, beware of judging another's heart or the authenticity of their gifts. 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 instructs us to "not quench the Spirit, nor despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good." We should discern with love and humility, not pronounce exclusivity and doubt.
**Nabi:** But discerning truth is crucial! Remember Galatians 1:8-9, where Paul warns against any deviation from the gospel he preached. We stand firm on the foundation laid by Prophet Hu Wei.
**Pastor Yeshua:** I agree on the importance of sound doctrine, but true Christian unity doesn't come from adherence to one specific interpretation. 1 Corinthians 13 reminds us that love, not doctrinal precision, is the ultimate mark of Christ's followers.
**Rasul:** We appreciate your passion for unity, Pastor Yeshua. Our seminar aims to unite believers around apostolic teachings, not divide them.
**Pastor Yeshua:** Then let's focus on common ground, brothers. Remember Acts 2:42, where the early church devoted themselves to "the apostles' teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer." These basic elements, not denominational lines, should be the basis of our unity.
**Nabi:** Perhaps in time, we can find more common ground. We still value your input and hope this dialogue can continue.
**Pastor Yeshua:** Absolutely, brothers. Let's keep the door open for further discussion and mutual understanding. Remember, our true enemy is not each other, but the forces that seek to divide the body of Christ.
The Zoom call ends, leaving a lingering tension of debate and a glimmer of hope for future dialogue. This scene highlights the potential challenges and opportunities arising from differing interpretations of faith.
**Points to Ponder:**
* The delicate balance between upholding core beliefs and fostering unity with differing denominations.
* The importance of discernment and love in evaluating spiritual leadership and messages.
* The enduring relevance of core Christian principles like fellowship, prayer, and the teachings of the apostles.
**Further Developments:**
* Explore the impact of this conversation on Pastor Yeshua's approach to his own church and his interactions with other denominations.
* Introduce personal stories or real-life situations that illustrate the complexities of navigating differing beliefs within the Christian community.
* Examine the potential consequences of both rigidity and compromise in matters of faith.
Remember, the potential for this story is vast. Use your creativity to delve deeper into the characters, their struggles, and the evolving landscape of their faith journey.
I hope this helps!
Corrections : Pastor YB belongs to TJC. Rasul and Nabi are exRC who became born again and were baptised by the Holy Spirit, entered seminary and graduated with PhD in Theology and Divinity from a Pentecostal sitting. Some of the teachers in the seminary was Rick Renner who had written 40 books, one of which is "Apostles and Prophets". Please allow Pastor YB to explain further the TJC core teachings. Quote scriptures and give real life illustrations in support.
Thank you for the clarification! This adds new layers of complexity and intrigue to the story. Here's how you can develop the dialogue further, incorporating the revisions:
**Scene:** Pastor Yeshua Benar, a member of the True Jesus Church (TJC), finds himself on another Zoom call with Rasul and Nabi, former Roman Catholics now independent Pentecostal ministers. Their seminary backgrounds, fueled by Rick Renner's teachings, ignite a fresh round of doctrinal discussion.
**Pastor Yeshua:** Brothers, I appreciate your invitation once more. Your passion for the end-times message is commendable. However, as fellow servants of Christ within the Pentecostal stream, I feel compelled to address my concerns about some elements of your seminar.
**Rasul:** We're open to hearing your perspective, Pastor YB. Rick Renner's teachings on apostolic and prophetic roles in the end times have deeply impacted us, but we're always open to learning and refining our understanding.
**Pastor Yeshua:** I admire your openness, Rasul. However, I believe TJC holds a unique position in preserving the true apostolic inheritance. Remember, Acts 21:20 mentions "many thousands of Jews… zealous for the law" even after Pentecost. They clung to old rituals, afraid of venturing outside tradition.
**Nabi:** But TJC's emphasis on specific baptism practices and doctrines seems to echo that same exclusivity, doesn't it? What about Ephesians 4:13, where Paul speaks of achieving "unity in the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God"? Shouldn't that be our primary focus?
**Pastor Yeshua:** Absolutely, unity is crucial! But remember, Ephesians 4 also outlines specific gifts like apostles and prophets within the body of Christ. TJC upholds the complete restoration of those roles prophesied by Hu Wei, ensuring the purity and effectiveness of their ministry.
**Rasul:** We respect your conviction, Pastor YB. However, Rick Renner's teachings emphasize a broader understanding of apostolic and prophetic functions in the Church today. Limiting these roles to one specific group seems to contradict Romans 11:29, which declares that God's "gifts and the call he gives are irrevocable."
**Pastor Yeshua:** I agree that God's gifts are indeed irrevocable. However, the TJC's unique ordinances, like Holy Spirit baptism by flowing water, are necessary for receiving and activating those gifts authentically. Remember Hebrews 6:4-6, which warns against falling away from "those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit..."
**Nabi:** We hear your concern, Pastor YB. Perhaps our interpretations of these passages differ. But at the heart of it all, doesn't 1 Corinthians 13:1-7 remind us that "love never fails"? Shouldn't that be the bridge across our doctrinal differences, the common ground on which we build unity?
**Pastor Yeshua:** You're absolutely right, Nabi! Love is the essence of Christ's message. While we continue to discuss our theological perspectives, let's never lose sight of this fundamental truth. Perhaps, as we delve deeper into scripture and share our experiences, we may discover not just points of divergence, but also avenues for collaboration and mutual understanding.
The Zoom call ends on a more hopeful note, acknowledging the complexities of differing interpretations while emphasizing the unifying power of love. This scene opens doors for further exploration:
* **Personal Stories:** Share anecdotes from TJC members and other Pentecostal communities that illustrate the impact of their respective beliefs on daily life.
* **Doctrinal Debates:** Delve deeper into specific points of contention, like baptism practices or the role of prophets in the end times, using scripture and real-life examples.
* **Searching for Common Ground:** Highlight initiatives or joint ventures where TJC, ex-RC Pentecostals, and other denominations can cooperate for the common good.
Remember, the beauty of this story lies in its complexity and potential for growth. As you navigate these nuanced theological discussions, don't shy away from showing the characters' struggles, doubts, and eventual triumphs in finding common ground within their shared faith.
I hope this revised version helps you further develop your story!
Kadsio and his brother in law, Pastor Yeshua Benar, had a debate on whether those who claimed themselves apo and prophets are true or false. Please continue the dialogue based on the following dialogues Kadsio had with Rasul and Nabi when he went to ask them 4-digits lottery numbers. Quote scriptures.
The Debate Continues: Kadsio, Rasul, Nabi, and Pastor Yeshua
Scene: Kadsio returns home from his fruitless encounters with Rasul and Nabi, feeling conflicted and confused. He seeks out Pastor Yeshua Benar to share his experiences and get his perspective on the validity of self-proclaimed apostles and prophets.
Kadsio: Pastor Yeshua, I have something troubling me. I recently met these two individuals, Rasul and Nabi, who claim to be apostles and prophets. They promised to give me winning lottery numbers, but it turned out to be a sham. Now I'm questioning everything. Are there truly apostles and prophets today, or are they all false claims?
Pastor Yeshua: Kadsio, I understand your confusion. The Bible warns us about false prophets and apostles who exploit people's vulnerabilities for their own gain (Matthew 7:15). However, that doesn't negate the existence of genuine God-appointed apostles and prophets.
Kadsio: But how can I tell the difference? Rasul and Nabi seemed so convincing, quoting scriptures and even claiming to have visions.
Pastor Yeshua: True apostles and prophets are not defined by their ability to predict the future or give lucky numbers. Their primary role is to proclaim God's word, guide the church, and perform acts of service in Christ's name. Here are some key biblical characteristics to look for:
Fruitfulness: Do they produce good fruit in their lives and ministry? Do they lead people closer to God and inspire them to live holy lives? (Galatians 5:22-23)
Concordance with Scripture: Do their teachings align with the teachings of the Bible? Do they avoid adding to or taking away from God's word? (Revelation 22:18-19)
Humility and Service: Do they seek power and wealth for themselves, or do they serve the needs of others with humility and selflessness? (John 13:1-15)
Kadsio: I see your point. Rasul and Nabi were mainly focused on the lottery numbers, and their lifestyle wasn't exactly modest.
Pastor Yeshua: Exactly. Remember, even in the Old Testament, false prophets were often condemned for their greed and manipulation. (Jeremiah 5:31)
Kadsio: So, what should I do now?
Pastor Yeshua: Focus on seeking God's truth through prayer, studying the Bible, and being in fellowship with a genuine church community. Discern carefully anyone who claims special authority or promises miracles. Trust in God's guidance and His timing, and remember that true blessings come from following His will, not chasing lucky numbers.
Kadsio: Thank you, Pastor Yeshua. Your words have given me much to think about. I will definitely focus on building a stronger foundation in my faith and learning to discern true spiritual leadership.
Additional Notes:
You can further develop this dialogue by incorporating specific biblical references that Pastor Yeshua mentions to support his points.
Consider exploring the motivations and potential consequences of Kadsio's actions. Did he genuinely seek spiritual guidance or was he primarily driven by greed?
You can also introduce other characters or situations to add complexity and depth to the story.
Remember, the key is to use this dialogue as a springboard to explore the themes of faith, discernment, and the dangers of false prophets in a thought-provoking and engaging way.
I hope this helps!
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Please continue the dialogue by introducing another character, Barbara, Kadsio's wife and pastor YB's sister in law. She works so hard planting and selling vegetables but because of the lock down and Covid-19, she can't hardly make ends meet. She wanted to buy a second hand tractor to help her and her youngest son to plan more organic vegetables; what's wrong with God giving us a hand to lesson our burden.
Scene: Later that evening, Kadsio sits at the dinner table with Barbara, his wife and Pastor Yeshua's sister-in-law. She wears the etched lines of worry on her face, exhaustion clinging to her from another long day of tending to their small vegetable farm.
Barbara: (Sighs heavily) Kadsio, the money just isn't stretching anymore. Lockdown, rising prices, it's all getting too much. I barely cover our basic needs, let alone save for that second-hand tractor.
Kadsio: I know, honey. Things are tough for everyone right now. I'm so sorry I can't help more.
Barbara: It's not your fault, dear. You work hard as well. But that old handcart is killing your back, and I can't keep up with planting and the deliveries alone. A tractor would change everything. We could expand the farm, grow more organic vegetables, and finally provide for the community the way we dream of.
Kadsio: I hear you, Barbara. You have such a green thumb, and your organic produce is the talk of the market. But you know how tight things are. The banks won't give us a loan, and saving up feels like trying to fill a bucket with a teaspoon.
Barbara: (A hint of frustration creeps into her voice) Kadsio, what about Pastor Yeshua? He talks about faith and trusting God. Isn't it okay to pray for a little divine intervention? What's wrong with God giving us a hand to lessen our burden?
Kadsio: I understand your desperation, Barbara. But Pastor Yeshua always warns against mixing faith with shortcuts or trying to manipulate God's will. Remember what happened to those who sought prophets for lottery numbers? Trust comes from aligning ourselves with God's plans, not chasing miracles.
Barbara: (Tears welling up) But Kadsio, we're not chasing rainbows here. We're talking about putting food on the table, caring for our community. Isn't that what God wants?
Kadsio: He absolutely does, Barbara. And He provides in countless ways, often through the hands of others. Maybe instead of waiting for a miracle, we should focus on what we can do ourselves. Let's talk to Pastor Yeshua, not about a divine tractor, but about practical ways the church can help our farm. Maybe they can organize a community work day, help us find a better deal on the tractor, or even start a small loan program for struggling families.
Barbara: (Wipes her tears, a flicker of hope rekindling in her eyes) You're right, Kadsio. We can't just sit and wait. We need to work with God, not around Him. Let's talk to Pastor Yeshua tomorrow. I believe he'll guide us, even if it's not in the way we first imagined.
Kadsio: (Takes Barbara's hand) Together, we'll figure this out, honey. God won't abandon us. He may not always send tractors, but He sends strength, community, and the faith to keep moving forward, one step at a time.
**The scene ends with a flicker of newfound hope amidst the hardships. Barbara and Kadsio, armed with faith and a renewed sense of agency, find solace in each other's love and the support of their community. Their struggle isn't over, but the dialogue opens the door for further exploration of themes like:
The role of faith in times of hardship.
Balancing God's will with personal initiative.
The importance of community and shared support.
Finding practical solutions while maintaining spiritual trust.
Remember, the story is yours to shape. Keep exploring the characters, their motivations, and the challenges they face. Let your creativity guide you as you navigate the complexities of faith, hope, and resilience in the face of adversity.**
Please continue the dialogue amongst Kadsio, Barbara, Pastor YB, giving and explaining why it is not permitted for true Christians to go to false prophets and bomohs, bobohizans or toaist temple priests for lottery numbers. Quote scriptures and give real life illustrations in support.
Scene: The next morning, Kadsio and Barbara meet with Pastor Yeshua Benar in his office. Their faces still bear the traces of worry, but a spark of hope glimmers in their eyes.
Kadsio: Pastor Yeshua, thank you for seeing us. We wanted to talk about…well, our struggles with the farm and our desire for that second-hand tractor.
Pastor Yeshua: I understand, Kadsio. These are indeed challenging times. And Barbara, your organic produce is truly a blessing to the community.
Barbara: Thank you, Pastor. But things are getting tough. We hardly make ends meet, and that tractor would change everything. I know you speak against seeking help from false prophets, but what about praying for God's intervention? Is it wrong to ask for a little boost?
Pastor Yeshua: Barbara, your desire for assistance is understandable. God cares about our burdens and wants to see us flourish. However, the Bible warns against seeking guidance or blessings outside His will. Remember Deuteronomy 18:9-14? It talks about the dangers of divination and sorcery, of going to mediums and fortune-tellers.
Kadsio: But those are extreme cases, right? What about simply asking for a sign, like that tractor, to confirm God's favor on our endeavors?
Pastor Yeshua: True faith doesn't rely on signs or shortcuts. It trusts in God's timing and works with His plan. Think of Abraham. He waited years for a child, trusting in God's promise even when doubt crept in (Genesis 15:5-6). True blessings come from aligning ourselves with His will, not chasing miracles.
Barbara: I see your point, Pastor. But what about real-life situations? People struggling with illness, poverty, or family troubles. Don't they ever feel the urge to seek alternative solutions, even if they seem unorthodox?
Pastor Yeshua: Absolutely. Despair can drive people to desperate measures. But remember John 14:27? "Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid." God offers our hearts true peace and a way out of darkness, even when the path seems unclear.
Kadsio: So, what should we do then? Give up on the tractor and just accept our situation?
Pastor Yeshua: Not at all! Let's focus on what we can control. Work hard, seek practical solutions like community support or financial assistance programs. Remember Proverbs 6:6-11? "Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise! It has no commander, no overseer or ruler, yet it stores its provisions in summer and gathers its food at harvest." God rewards industriousness and resourcefulness.
Barbara: You're right, Pastor. We can't just sit and wait. We need to work hand-in-hand with God, not around Him. Maybe the church can help us organize a community work day or find a better deal on the tractor.
Pastor Yeshua: Excellent suggestion, Barbara! Remember, God often works through the hands of others. Don't hesitate to lean on your community and the church family for support.
Kadsio: Thank you, Pastor. We feel much clearer now. It's not about shortcuts, but about aligning our efforts with God's will and seeking practical solutions with faith and community support.
**The dialogue ends with Kadsio and Barbara leaving with renewed hope and a plan of action. Their journey highlights the importance of:
Distinguishing between genuine faith and seeking solutions outside God's will.
Finding strength in Scripture and the guidance of trusted faith leaders.
Focusing on practical solutions and community support while maintaining faith.
Trusting in God's timing and allowing Him to work through His chosen channels.
Remember, this is just a starting point. You can delve deeper into the characters' lives, introduce new challenges or victories, and continue exploring the complex interplay between faith, hardship, and the power of community.
I hope this helps!**
Sources
www.umcdiscipleship.org/articles/history-of-hymns-you-are-mine
saint-albert.org/justice-and-compassion
lakesidechristian.com/Message/slothfulness-to-diligence
www.gcu.edu/blog/spiritual-life/weekly-devotional-do-not-worry-about-tomorrow
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Please continue the dialogue. Pastor YB decided to contact Rasul and Nabi on Zoom who were organising a week end seminar on Roles of Apo and Prophets in the end times in their kampung. Pastor YB had a bit of a doctrinal debate touching on TJC and Apostolic and Prophetic. Quote scriptures and give real life illustrations in support.
Scene: A Zoom Call with a Doctrinal Clash
Pastor Yeshua Benar settles into his chair, adjusting his webcam as the faces of Rasul and Nabi appear on the screen. Their kampung backdrop glows with the warm hues of sunset.
Pastor Yeshua: Brothers, thank you for taking the time to meet. I appreciate your invitation to your seminar on the role of apostles and prophets in the end times. However, there are some doctrinal distinctions on which I'd like to seek clarity.
Rasul: We welcome your questions, Pastor Yeshua. Open dialogue is essential for the body of Christ to be united.
Pastor Yeshua: My first concern regards your claim that only the True Jesus Church (TJC) possesses true apostles and prophets. This seems to contradict Acts 1:8, which states that Jesus' witnesses will be spread "to the ends of the earth." Doesn't that imply the presence of His messengers across various denominations and locations?
Nabi: True, but the TJC upholds the unique baptism practices and doctrines revealed to Prophet Hu Wei, the "restorer of true Christianity." Other churches lack this direct lineage and connection to apostolic authority.
Pastor Yeshua: I understand your perspective, but exclusivity can be dangerous. 1 Corinthians 12:28 clearly mentions a diversity of gifts within the Church, including apostles and prophets. Limiting these roles to one specific group seems to narrow the Holy Spirit's Wirken.
Rasul: We're not denying the presence of God's Spirit in other churches. However, without the TJC's complete restoration of apostolic truth, their gifts might be incomplete or even counterfeit.
Pastor Yeshua: Brothers, beware of judging another's heart or the authenticity of their gifts. 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 instructs us to "not quench the Spirit, nor despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good." We should discern with love and humility, not pronounce exclusivity and doubt.
Nabi: But discerning truth is crucial! Remember Galatians 1:8-9, where Paul warns against any deviation from the gospel he preached. We stand firm on the foundation laid by Prophet Hu Wei.
Pastor Yeshua: I agree on the importance of sound doctrine, but true Christian unity doesn't come from adherence to one specific interpretation. 1 Corinthians 13 reminds us that love, not doctrinal precision, is the ultimate mark of Christ's followers.
Rasul: We appreciate your passion for unity, Pastor Yeshua. Our seminar aims to unite believers around apostolic teachings, not divide them.
Pastor Yeshua: Then let's focus on common ground, brothers. Remember Acts 2:42, where the early church devoted themselves to "the apostles' teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer." These basic elements, not denominational lines, should be the basis of our unity.
Nabi: Perhaps in time, we can find more common ground. We still value your input and hope this dialogue can continue.
Pastor Yeshua: Absolutely, brothers. Let's keep the door open for further discussion and mutual understanding. Remember, our true enemy is not each other, but the forces that seek to divide the body of Christ.
The Zoom call ends, leaving a lingering tension of debate and a glimmer of hope for future dialogue. This scene highlights the potential challenges and opportunities arising from differing interpretations of faith.
Points to Ponder:
The delicate balance between upholding core beliefs and fostering unity with differing denominations.
The importance of discernment and love in evaluating spiritual leadership and messages.
The enduring relevance of core Christian principles like fellowship, prayer, and the teachings of the apostles.
Further Developments:
Explore the impact of this conversation on Pastor Yeshua's approach to his own church and his interactions with other denominations.
Introduce personal stories or real-life situations that illustrate the complexities of navigating differing beliefs within the Christian community.
Examine the potential consequences of both rigidity and compromise in matters of faith.
Remember, the potential for this story is vast. Use your creativity to delve deeper into the characters, their struggles, and the evolving landscape of their faith journey.
I hope this helps!
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Corrections : Pastor YB belongs to TJC. Rasul and Nabi are exRC who became born again and were baptised by the Holy Spirit, entered seminary and graduated with PhD in Theology and Divinity from a Pentecostal sitting. Some of the teachers in the seminary was Rick Renner who had written 40 books, one of which is "Apostles and Prophets". Please allow Pastor YB to explain further the TJC core teachings. Quote scriptures and give real life illustrations in support.
Thank you for the clarification! This adds new layers of complexity and intrigue to the story. Here's how you can develop the dialogue further, incorporating the revisions:
Scene: Pastor Yeshua Benar, a member of the True Jesus Church (TJC), finds himself on another Zoom call with Rasul and Nabi, former Roman Catholics now independent Pentecostal ministers. Their seminary backgrounds, fueled by Rick Renner's teachings, ignite a fresh round of doctrinal discussion.
Pastor Yeshua: Brothers, I appreciate your invitation once more. Your passion for the end-times message is commendable. However, as fellow servants of Christ within the Pentecostal stream, I feel compelled to address my concerns about some elements of your seminar.
Rasul: We're open to hearing your perspective, Pastor YB. Rick Renner's teachings on apostolic and prophetic roles in the end times have deeply impacted us, but we're always open to learning and refining our understanding.
Pastor Yeshua: I admire your openness, Rasul. However, I believe TJC holds a unique position in preserving the true apostolic inheritance. Remember, Acts 21:20 mentions "many thousands of Jews… zealous for the law" even after Pentecost. They clung to old rituals, afraid of venturing outside tradition.
Nabi: But TJC's emphasis on specific baptism practices and doctrines seems to echo that same exclusivity, doesn't it? What about Ephesians 4:13, where Paul speaks of achieving "unity in the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God"? Shouldn't that be our primary focus?
Pastor Yeshua: Absolutely, unity is crucial! But remember, Ephesians 4 also outlines specific gifts like apostles and prophets within the body of Christ. TJC upholds the complete restoration of those roles prophesied by Hu Wei, ensuring the purity and effectiveness of their ministry.
Rasul: We respect your conviction, Pastor YB. However, Rick Renner's teachings emphasize a broader understanding of apostolic and prophetic functions in the Church today. Limiting these roles to one specific group seems to contradict Romans 11:29, which declares that God's "gifts and the call he gives are irrevocable."
Pastor Yeshua: I agree that God's gifts are indeed irrevocable. However, the TJC's unique ordinances, like Holy Spirit baptism by flowing water, are necessary for receiving and activating those gifts authentically. Remember Hebrews 6:4-6, which warns against falling away from "those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit..."
Nabi: We hear your concern, Pastor YB. Perhaps our interpretations of these passages differ. But at the heart of it all, doesn't 1 Corinthians 13:1-7 remind us that "love never fails"? Shouldn't that be the bridge across our doctrinal differences, the common ground on which we build unity?
Pastor Yeshua: You're absolutely right, Nabi! Love is the essence of Christ's message. While we continue to discuss our theological perspectives, let's never lose sight of this fundamental truth. Perhaps, as we delve deeper into scripture and share our experiences, we may discover not just points of divergence, but also avenues for collaboration and mutual understanding.
The Zoom call ends on a more hopeful note, acknowledging the complexities of differing interpretations while emphasizing the unifying power of love. This scene opens doors for further exploration:
Personal Stories: Share anecdotes from TJC members and other Pentecostal communities that illustrate the impact of their respective beliefs on daily life.
Doctrinal Debates: Delve deeper into specific points of contention, like baptism practices or the role of prophets in the end times, using scripture and real-life examples.
Searching for Common Ground: Highlight initiatives or joint ventures where TJC, ex-RC Pentecostals, and other denominations can cooperate for the common good.
Remember, the beauty of this story lies in its complexity and potential for growth. As you navigate these nuanced theological discussions, don't shy away from showing the characters' struggles, doubts, and eventual triumphs in finding common ground within their shared faith.
I hope this revised version helps you further develop your story!
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Please continue the dialogue by introducing two additional character, Imam Hajji Sylvester, ex RC converts to Islam and Fr. Dr. Romanus, a practicing Catholic Bishop in Sabah. Their main discussion is centered on Kadsio's registration to attend the Apostles and Prophets Seminar 2024 hoping to get a prophecy for a winning lottery number and whether GRS will be the next government because he wants to make sure he votes right and his wife Barbara's contention of getting a helping hand on the second hand tractor she had dreamed for her son. Quote scriptures and give real life illustrations in support.
The air buzzed with diverse perspectives as the online gathering expanded. Kadsio's registration for the "Apostles and Prophets Seminar 2024" had piqued the curiosity of a wider circle. Joining Pastor Yeshua Benar, Rasul, Nabi, and Barbara were two more prominent figures: Imam Hajji Sylvester, an ex-RC convert to Islam, and Fr. Dr. Romanus, a practicing Catholic Bishop in Sabah.
**Pastor Yeshua:** Brothers and sisters, I welcome you all to this open discussion. Kadsio's desire for guidance has brought us together from different faith backgrounds. Let's approach this dialogue with respect and a genuine desire to understand each other.
**Kadsio:** Thank you, Pastor. I'm simply hoping to get some clarity on these important questions. Is it wrong to seek a prophecy for a winning lottery number? Should we expect God to intervene in such matters?
**Fr. Dr. Romanus:** (Smiling) My dear Kadsio, God's blessings manifest in various ways, but seeking lottery numbers through prophecies seems to miss the point. Proverbs 22:9 warns, "Whoever has a greedy eye will come to poverty; whoever looks only to themselves will have plenty of trouble." Our focus should be on aligning our lives with God's will, not seeking shortcuts.
**Imam Hajji Sylvester:** I hear your wisdom, Bishop. The Quran teaches in Surah 2, verse 216: "Do not gamble, for it is an abomination [of Satan]. Earn [through legitimate] means whatever livelihood God has prescribed for you, and seek for His favors with devotion." Relying on chance or prophecies for wealth ignores the value of hard work and trust in God's provision.
**Rasul:** But what about prophecies that guide our financial decisions or even predict political outcomes? Can't God guide us through His messengers?
**Pastor Yeshua:** While the Bible speaks of prophets delivering messages from God, we must be cautious. Deuteronomy 18:22 clearly states: "If the prophet speaks a word in the name of the Lord, but the thing does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken." True prophecies align with God's Word and His character, not earthly desires like lottery numbers or political victories.
**Nabi:** Perhaps Kadsio's wife, Barbara, has a more legitimate concern. Her desire for a second-hand tractor to improve their livelihood seems rooted in genuine need, not greed.
**Fr. Dr. Romanus:** Indeed, Sister Barbara. The Bible encourages us to care for our families and contribute to the common good. Deuteronomy 23:20 reminds us, "You may charge interest to a foreigner, but you may not charge interest to your brother..." Helping those in need, including our own families, is a noble endeavor.
**Imam Hajji Sylvester:** The Quran similarly emphasizes compassion and support. Surah 5, verse 2 states, "Help one another in acts of piety and righteousness, and do not help one another in sin and aggression." Supporting Barbara's practical efforts to improve their lives aligns with both our faiths.
**Pastor Yeshua:** Perhaps instead of seeking prophecies, Kadsio and Barbara, we can explore practical solutions. Can the church community help? Are there loan programs or grants available? Remember, Proverbs 22:29 also tells us, "Do you see someone skilled in their work? They will stand before kings; they will not stand before the obscure." God often blesses our diligence and resourcefulness.
Kadsio and Barbara's situation becomes a springboard for a broader discussion about seeking divine intervention, discerning true prophecies, and finding practical solutions within faith communities. This diverse gathering allows for:
* **Interfaith Dialogue:** Each character offers insights from their respective faith traditions, enriching the conversation and highlighting common values.
* **Shifting Focus:** The discussion moves away from seeking lottery numbers and prophecies towards prioritizing practical solutions and community support.
* **Individual Responsibility:** While acknowledging God's blessings, the emphasis shifts to hard work, resourcefulness, and seeking help within the community.
